From: cscitizen@windstream.net
Well, here I go hollering down a well again. For probably the millionth time I will say again, we need a unified front as Southerners & Christians to campaign POLITICALLY against those who attack us. The S.C.V, U.D.C, reenactors, flaggers, etc. are all good at what they do however, it's not enough, never has been, never will be.
The latest attack on a Confederate Battleflag in the Citadel is just the most recent one in a long line of many. Politicians use our history & heritage against us to promote themselves, their causes & political careers. Until we counter this by making them pay a political price for such attacks they WILL continue.
There is nothing stopping us as individual members of Southern groups from organizing outside our parent groups into a political umbrella of individuals from all these groups to campaign AGAINST those who do not support us. Until politicians are made to pay a price for their Anti – Southern actions those attacks will continue.
To keep on doing the things that have not worked in the past & getting the same results is the definition of insanity. We must make our enemies pay dearly for their attacks or keep losing it all piece by piece. I do not know how much more simple this solution can be expressed. The only thing missing on our part is the guts to counter-attack instead of believing we can educate everyone about the Confederacy & "educate" our way out of these attacks.
This has not worked & will never as our enemies DO NOT care what the truth is. Like everyone else they understand two things, reason or force, & reason has failed. Politicians only understand two things as well, they either have the votes to stay in office or they don`t. It seems it should be a part of our duties to put those who are against us out of office.
Well, here I go hollering down a well again. For probably the millionth time I will say again, we need a unified front as Southerners & Christians to campaign POLITICALLY against those who attack us. The S.C.V, U.D.C, reenactors, flaggers, etc. are all good at what they do however, it's not enough, never has been, never will be.
The latest attack on a Confederate Battleflag in the Citadel is just the most recent one in a long line of many. Politicians use our history & heritage against us to promote themselves, their causes & political careers. Until we counter this by making them pay a political price for such attacks they WILL continue.
There is nothing stopping us as individual members of Southern groups from organizing outside our parent groups into a political umbrella of individuals from all these groups to campaign AGAINST those who do not support us. Until politicians are made to pay a price for their Anti – Southern actions those attacks will continue.
To keep on doing the things that have not worked in the past & getting the same results is the definition of insanity. We must make our enemies pay dearly for their attacks or keep losing it all piece by piece. I do not know how much more simple this solution can be expressed. The only thing missing on our part is the guts to counter-attack instead of believing we can educate everyone about the Confederacy & "educate" our way out of these attacks.
This has not worked & will never as our enemies DO NOT care what the truth is. Like everyone else they understand two things, reason or force, & reason has failed. Politicians only understand two things as well, they either have the votes to stay in office or they don`t. It seems it should be a part of our duties to put those who are against us out of office.
Billy E. Price
Ashville Alabama
Ashville Alabama
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Charleston Councilman`s Demands....
From: cscitizen@windstream.net
The Charleston S.C. councilman who wants the Confederate flag removed from the chapel at the Citadel is Henry Darby. His email address is: henrydarby@msn.com if you would like to politely give him your opinion on this matter.
The Charleston S.C. councilman who wants the Confederate flag removed from the chapel at the Citadel is Henry Darby. His email address is: henrydarby@msn.com if you would like to politely give him your opinion on this matter.
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Citadel
From: cscitizen@windstream.net
To: henrydarby@msn.com
Mr. Darby,
With regards to your request to the Citadel to remove the Confederate Battleflag from its chapel in spite of its extensive Confederate history; Rewriting is something fascist do, are you a fascist Mr. Darby? If not why are you making unreasonable demands like this one?
Not everyone agrees with your view of how the Civil Rights Movement happened or the communist affiliations of many in it. However, it is what it is, history. So, why all the hell raising & political grandstanding at this late of a date on your part over historical facts? Do you hope to curry more political favor with your supporters for a re-election bid or higher office at the expense of the Citadels rich history?
If so, you have put yourself in the same category as any segregationist who used race in order to gain votes in the 1950 - 60`s. The only difference is instead of race you distort history to achieve the same goal.
Mr. Darby,
With regards to your request to the Citadel to remove the Confederate Battleflag from its chapel in spite of its extensive Confederate history; Rewriting is something fascist do, are you a fascist Mr. Darby? If not why are you making unreasonable demands like this one?
Not everyone agrees with your view of how the Civil Rights Movement happened or the communist affiliations of many in it. However, it is what it is, history. So, why all the hell raising & political grandstanding at this late of a date on your part over historical facts? Do you hope to curry more political favor with your supporters for a re-election bid or higher office at the expense of the Citadels rich history?
If so, you have put yourself in the same category as any segregationist who used race in order to gain votes in the 1950 - 60`s. The only difference is instead of race you distort history to achieve the same goal.
Billy E. Price
Ashville Alabama
Ashville Alabama
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From: Henry Darby
To: Billy Price
From: Henry Darby
To: Billy Price
I am growing exceedingly tired of hearing the complaints. Are you concerned when a great number of Citadel graduates call me "Nigger" simply because I disagree. Even the tone of your email is one of hatred. I have asked even the NAACP not to get involved because I do not want the bad publicity for The Citadel. I voted for The Citadel to get funds in the past for the Johnson Hagood Stadium. If you so call know your history, why would a black man want to give funds for a person of such a racial ideology? I looked way beyond that. It is people like you who love to cause hate. Try flying a Confederate flag in the House of God where you worship. I was simply assisting constituents who wanted the matter addressed. I kept the matter at bay for over six months because I did not want it get out. I am so sorry you are so provincial in your thinking. Below, is what I stated to the news media and get your facts together before you approach me again. Alabama? No wonder...
Gentlemen, the law is the law and one has to abide by current law. I stood up for my constituents in spite of the controversy, challenges, and criticisms. I did my best. If there are those who want to make changes within the law, they need to take it to the state level; but as I stand presently, it is time for County Council to move on. In addition, I thank those members of council who stood with me during this controversial time...
Darby
Gentlemen, the law is the law and one has to abide by current law. I stood up for my constituents in spite of the controversy, challenges, and criticisms. I did my best. If there are those who want to make changes within the law, they need to take it to the state level; but as I stand presently, it is time for County Council to move on. In addition, I thank those members of council who stood with me during this controversial time...
Darby
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From: Billy Price
To: Henry Darby
And many in Charleston are sorry you are a councilman which, means they get no representation from you, how American. Furthermore, I have been called names all my life from some blacks but, being called names is not against the law. You are in the wrong profession to be so thin skinned. Regardless of what may have happened, real or perceived to blacks in the past getting even for it today on your part amounts to nothing but revenge which will only continue to breed more hate among the races. Now let me tell you what makes me sick, blacks like you who claim they want to progress & move forward but, are forever stuck in the mindset that its still 1963. Two wrongs will never make a right but, you keep on trying to make it so.
From: Billy Price
To: Henry Darby
And many in Charleston are sorry you are a councilman which, means they get no representation from you, how American. Furthermore, I have been called names all my life from some blacks but, being called names is not against the law. You are in the wrong profession to be so thin skinned. Regardless of what may have happened, real or perceived to blacks in the past getting even for it today on your part amounts to nothing but revenge which will only continue to breed more hate among the races. Now let me tell you what makes me sick, blacks like you who claim they want to progress & move forward but, are forever stuck in the mindset that its still 1963. Two wrongs will never make a right but, you keep on trying to make it so.
Billy
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A Northern voice
Sir:
You say that have received "hateful" communications with regard to your demand for the removal of historic flags from The Citadel.
Of course, no decent, objective person would send any message that could be rationally considered "hateful," but I have also found after many years of debating the issues surrounding the effort of the Southern States to leave a union that had become hostile to their citizens that "hateful" is often another way of identifying cogent, intelligent opinions that differ from one's own point of view. And usually, the more cogent and intelligent, the more eager the recipient is to play the well-known "race card." If I disagree with you, goes the game, I am a racist. Now, I do not know if you hold to that unfortunate point of view, but I wish to declare "up front," as they say, that nothing I write to you can possibly be considered "hateful" unless, of course, you hold the above point of view.
Sadly, you and so many others are victims of a "history" that never existed. Often this historical narrative flies in the face not of Southern accounts, but of Northern ones as well. The flags which you find offensive never flew over any ship transporting slaves from Africa where black captives of interminable tribal wars were sold to Europeans by their own people. "Roots" is a total fiction! Indeed, the flag that flew from the mastheads of slave ships is the same flag (minus a number of stars) that presently flies over the Capitols in both Washington and Columbia!
But more to the point, since debating history is not permitted in these "politically correct" days (lest the truth be revealed!), it is time to recognize the fact that other people have opinions too. As well, "being offended" is not found in the Constitution! Quite the opposite, in fact! The First Amendment protects not profanity or obscenity, but unpopular political speech and thus, under that Amendment you are free to call for the censorship of the flag of the Confederate States of America - a constitutionally formed government on the North American continent - but you have no right to demand that censorship, not as a citizen and certainly not as a "public servant."
If you cannot bring yourself to permit your fellow South Carolinians to have those freedoms which you and those who want what you demand, then I would suggest that you put the matter up for the vote and let the people of South Carolina decide. And once they have spoken in referendum, I would further suggest that, if the matter goes against you, you accept their decision and let the flags fly.
Valerie Protopapas,
Huntington Station, New York
Huntington Station, New York
